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Name: Joel
Subject: I know I'm late to the party, but...
-- Apr 5, 2009 at 4:35PM
I think the point that it was essentially "cheating" to have Freeman and Pitt find Doe b/c of the FBI clue has some merit. But I don't think many people hold that against the film -- it seems a little trivial. It's not a documentary, after all. But I do see the point's merit.
However, where I agree with the criticism is the ending. I just rewatched the movie last night, and here's my problem with the film: This is one of the more brutal films you'll see. True, there's not a lot that's shown to the viewer -- the brutality is mostly shown in barely glimpsed photos, or in the background. But the ideas are horrific in their brutality -- the whole "raping a woman with a knife dildo" idea is pretty shocking, I don't care how jaded you are.
But so here's my point: The viewer is subjected to a man who eats himself to death. Another who bleeds to death after cutting away at his own flesh. The aforementioned rape victim. A man kept alive, chained to a bed, for a year. A woman whose nose is cut off. etc etc.
And then at the end, how do we get paid back for putting up this unrelenting display of carnage? What's the denouement? It's this: The one character who's unsullied by all of the anguish seen in the rest of the film, the one element of purity in this quagmire, is decapitated, her head put in a box.
Oh, and by the way, she was pregnant, and she begged for her life.
To my mind, that's simply sadistic. What could be the "moral" here? Life is bad? Life is painful, then you do a horrible death? Bad things happen to good people? Sure they do. But there's no redemption, anywhere? After all of that bleakness and despair and anguish, the payoff is a beheaded pregnant woman? Doesn't that seem incredibly cruel? How is that anything other than sadistic?
That's my complaint with the movie.
Name: Danny Ferrell
Subject: your review
-- Nov 16, 2006 at 5:46PM
Im sorry but for a person who has been fed on Junk Food films such as Goldfinger, Diehard, and Dirty Harry, you shouldnt have a say in how good this film is.
You obviously have no experience in watching films of good quality, and how did you come about analysing the connotations of this film because I have seen no effort to stab at this film in detail, only that your search for analogous films were grounded to a halt when you couldn't appreciate this film for its differences.
Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: your review
-- Nov 1, 2005 at 8:05AM
Yes, Se7en was very influential. So was Stalin. What's your point?
Name: Andy ,Film Lecturer
Subject: your review
-- Nov 1, 2005 at 7:35AM
Kerry, you are talking shit. Sure Seven borrows from others but look at the hollywood outlay today! So many many films have been influenced by SE7EN. Check out Angelina Jolie's showreel
Name: john doe
Subject: se7en
-- Sep 10, 2005 at 6:42PM
It is very disapointing to view the lack of taste u have in movies.
Name: Peter Ivarsson
Subject: Se7en
-- Jan 29, 2005 at 5:58PM
Itīs almost embarrasing how obvious youīre lack of taste in films are. you canīt just go and make a review like this when you obviously hate movies with sad, unexpected endings. What i find striking with Se7en is that it really is a piece of art and a movie to think about. To come together with friends to discuss. Such films as "Die hard" or "Dirty harry" on the other hand are not art and has basically nothing worth commenting in them. Isnīt it more absurd to find "Die hard" to be a movie with a good ending (aka terrorists deserves to die) than to recognize se7en as a good film (aka people die to make you think of exactly how inhumane humanity has become). This is just a small example of what i belive the art of filmmaking is all about. Questioning, and not just hiding away the truth as if it didnīt even exist. My view of this type of film is that it really isnīt about making people suicidal. Itīs really about making people questioning the world around them instead of just taking in whatever crap is fed to them. I respect that you have this view about the matter but i think that writing a review like this really calls people to arms in the matter. But thatīs my view of the thing...
Name: Kostas
Subject: se7en
-- Apr 30, 2004 at 8:41AM
Conserning this movie i thought it had a well enough written script. no gabs no anything and an unpredictable end.(the head of the wife served in a plate) Thats enough i think for a thriller movie. "( I was depressed and suicidal for days after seeing the film is evidence of how good it is. But come on--any first-year film student (which I was, once) knows that making a viewer feel lousy is one of the easiest things to do with film.)"
By the way who are u scared of... I think the killer is in jale...
Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: ..
-- Apr 12, 2004 at 9:45PM
Granted, the studio fucked up. They never should have hired a newbie to make that flick. They never should have bought into the premise.
But I apologize if it appears that I didn't like *anything* about Alien3. I did like that scene where there are a bunch of bald guys running around. And my second-favorite scene is the one where there are bald guys running around.
Sucks that Fincher couldn't put deleted scenes on the DVD. I hear there's a terrific outtake in which a bunch of bald guys are running around. That would be awesome to see.
Name: Mr Pink
Subject: ..
-- Apr 12, 2004 at 8:45PM
David Fincher didn't "destroy" the alien franchise. If it was anyones fault, blame Fox, they treated Fincher like a newbie and half way through production, Fox pulled the plug and a huge amount of editing and re-shooting was used. Alot of footage was never used aswell.
They didn't let Fincher finish the film
They didn't let him put the deleted scenes on the fucking DVD
They didn't let him get on with the movie without Fox up his ass
They didn't let him do shit, the constantly changed the script and insulted him.
Alien 3 is great considering all that and its just as good, if not better than the first 2 films.
Your comments about Se7en and Fight Club are just further proof that you are an idiot.
Name: derek sanchez
Subject: Shooting Blanks (Seven)
-- Feb 6, 2002 at 5:37PM
wow, the fact that you even know the characters in sister act sure do frighten me, i think you really have watched that movie ONE too many times.
Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: dye
-- Jan 26, 2002 at 12:37PM
Laugh in my face? Jeez, bring back that stupid smirking chick.
And how the hell did you know I jerk off to Sister Act?? That little blonde and that big redhead, cloistered together in that sweaty convent ... think of the possibilities!
Name: Derek Sanchez
Subject: dye
-- Jan 26, 2002 at 12:20PM
Dye, you sir are a first class MORON. You verbally abuse great works of art such as Se7en and Fight Club, and then you recommend movies like Goldfiner and Executive Decision?! HAHA
I LAUGH IN YOUR FACE.
Your movie taste is obviously a result of your constant anti social tendancies (i can just picture you sitting on the couch eating pringles on a friday night watching sister act, whilst jacking off).
A lot of criticism has came from a person that mostly reviews mindless movies, which surprises me.
Dye, do us all a favor, and learn how to review a movie. Or kill yourself, which I would prefer the latter.
Thank you for your time.
Name: The Editors Respond
Subject: Re: Seven
-- Jan 24, 2002 at 12:20PM
All the Editorial staff knows is that it was scared witless by the plot development of Seven, so much so that it never, never takes books like Mein Kamph out of the library anymore. We wear Groucho glasses, drive to a bookstore in another town, and pay only in cash. Now superslueths like Morgan Freeman will never find us.
Name: smirks continue..
Subject: re:Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
-- Jan 24, 2002 at 8:29AM
ohhh, is THAT what Andrew Kevin Walker was trying to do...
create a real murder mystery...how silly of me. you see, i just
thought he was trying to write a good screenplay
without thinking about which genre amateur reviewers were going
to categorise it in.
by the way, your dictionary sounds a little inadequate...maybe you should
look up something in a more adult library when you're trying to
structure your self-indulgent reviews.
Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: Seven
-- Jan 24, 2002 at 7:17AM
The LSM Dictionary defines "hack's alibi" as "any thematic or subtextual element that gives the screenwriter an excuse to circumvent basic rules of good storytelling." Thus Akiva Goldsman can have characters pop up randomly whenever he needs his hero to verbalize his motivation because said hero tends to hallucinate, and Andrew Kevin Walker doesn't need to create a real murder mystery because his movie is not in the detective genre, it's in the "about sin" genre.
I'll take that as your best defense.
Name: smirking...
Subject: Seven
-- Jan 24, 2002 at 3:03AM
oh puh-leease,
Seven is not 'essentially a detective movie'-
it is essentially about sin. And the reality is, sin exists and is not
overcome.. because it is human. Ofcourse, Mills and Sommerset never
catch Doe..the ball is always in his court, because the fact is, unlike the masculine-reeking-co p-films
that you obviously enjoy with the good guys always coming out on top ( testosterone
flying helter skelter
'ooh, we are MEN', etc. etc.) society today facilitates the serial killer's anonymity;
and since no one cares who anyone else is, it's hard to actually find a serial killer, until he gives himself
up. So maybe Mr Walker has put a little more thought into society and crime at large, whilst you're
still wondering what to eat for lunch and how to inject so-called humour into your otherwise pathetic review.
Name: Ultradamno A.D.
Subject: You're wrong
-- Jan 8, 2001 at 4:40AM
Kerry Douglas Dye wrote:
>I could watch Seven
>again, but I thought
>I'd spend my time on
>something more
>enjoyable, like pushing
>fire ants into my
>urethra with a meat
>thermometer.
Isn't that a scene from Seven that you're describing? I think Fincher's on the verge of becoming one of your influences Kerry. };->
Name: Andre Dupuis
Subject: Seven
-- Dec 1, 2000 at 10:37AM
Seven, Fight Club: works of art. 2 of the best movies ever made.
you bash seven and at the same time recomend a bond film? Goldfinger?hahahahaha
and "executive decision"?
hahahahahahahahah
anyways, "i dont agree with you, I dont not. I cant" I watched seven for the 15th time last night. Im a student filmaker and for me David Fincher is a god.
Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: You're wrong
-- Feb 17, 2000 at 6:15PM
I could watch Seven again, but I thought I'd spend my time on something more enjoyable, like pushing fire ants into my urethra with a meat thermometer.
Name: Gizmo
Subject: You're wrong
-- Feb 17, 2000 at 5:29PM
I've agreed with you on alot of your reviews, but you couldn't be further from the truth in this review.
Se7en is one of the most innovative, inventive and intelligent cop movies ever made.
The plot line is brilliant, and aside from the FBI list, the movie is flawless in every way, shape and form.
I'd reccommend you watch it again, and pull your head out of your ass before you sit down this time.
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