Name: tom
Subject: jeff buckley
-- Jul 14, 2010 at 5:14AM
Are any of you vocalists? Jeff has without a doubt one of the greatest voices of our time. His range and control are ridiculous. Morons. Just a bunch of critics talking shit.
Name: pootwooter
Subject: Review: Jeff Buckley 'Mystery White Boy'
-- Nov 12, 2009 at 5:34PM
jeff used to sound quite strained in his lower range & tim sometimes sounded like kermit the frog
Name: c
Subject: jeff and tim
-- May 31, 2009 at 3:11PM
I'm a huge jeff fan, but even the claims he had a 9 octave range are ridiculous! i think jeff and his father had more or less the same range. not a big tim fan if i'm being honest, my dad plays him non-stop though! you can hear he probably had more control over his voice and perhaps had a bigger range, but i prefer jeff's voice. simply because i find it so beautiful and his ability to portray emotion was startling.
Name: gstrob
Subject: tim-jeff
-- May 12, 2007 at 1:21PM
theres no doubt jeffs voice is a little over hyped,but i think his dads is also,tim might very well have a broader voice,it is more powerfull many times but its not as sweet as jeffs is...its not as pleasing to the ear...tim sounds like an old man many times..part of tims attraction is his experimenting thats making u think he so great,{but did he do it well?}...that doesnt mean your voice is better cause your yelping!!...one thing a reviewer pointed out is how many albums tim put out ina short period of time...that goes to show u how much time he spent on them...NOT MUCH!!....anybody notice how well jeffs album-eps were produced???.....they {wallace}took the time to make them polished,something tim should of spent the time to do rather than trying to reach fame fast by spitting out releases off the top of his head.
Name: Sin e for today
Subject: Tim and Jeff
-- Sep 30, 2006 at 1:51PM
People get a grip! Ive worked it out that if you add Tims octvave range and Jeffs octave range and divide it by the number of keys in a grand piano it translates from binary into the following statement "Zap the ace rider" which is probably something Jeff would have believed in. Strum on with Jesus Jeff!!!!
Name: Matt
Subject: Tim and Jeff
-- Feb 9, 2006 at 9:59PM
I got into Jeff Buckley's music first, but soon after tracked Tim's down. To begin with, I preferred Jeff. Once I had got beyond Tim's first couple of albums, however, my opinion quickly changed. Tim had greater power, control, and half an octave's range over his son. Furthermore, Tim was more experimental (which sometimes did mean musical wanking, though on many occasions he did break ground), stylistically diverse(folk, psychedelia, jazz, avant-garde, funk, rock, soul), and prolific (9 albums compared to 1 and a couple of eps, in 2 years less living time than Jeff). Jeff also had a very pained sound to his upper range. At times, Tim also sounded similarly strained when hitting the high notes, but some of that was intentional (see 'Monterey' on the album Starsailor). Only near the end of Tim's life did his voice fade, probably due to overuse (listen to the title track from 'Look at the Fool'-- more Al Jolson than Al Green). Jeff found it hard to write songs (even Grace was co-written), which partly accounted for the delay with his projected sophomore set. In my conversations with Tim's guitarist, Lee Underwood, both of us have come to the conclusion that Jeff was starting to develop his own musical identity-- listen to the last few tracks on the second disc of 'Sketches'. Jeff and Tim were both very talented, but the evidence points to Tim as realising his ability, which, as a vocalist, was greater than Jeff's (albeit marginally). As to whether Jeff's songwriting ability achieved the level of his father's, we'll sadly never know.
Name: Dan
Subject: Jeff
-- Oct 30, 2005 at 7:08AM
Was a mad singer, mad guitarist and brilliant lyricist, the guy was a fucking genius, he did his own thing and did it amazingly. 4 octaves is to me fantastic, why you guys are comparing him to opera singers who just sing and nothing else is beyond me, the guys talent was measured in many others ways than the reach of his voice
Name: Dominic
Subject: Opera Singer
-- Oct 22, 2005 at 11:32PM
Also, Opera Singer pretty much points out that Tim was better, and he has an educated opinon considering the things he does, it is much more valuable.
Name: Dominic
Subject: Better Singer
-- Oct 22, 2005 at 11:28PM
I do prefer Jeff than Tim but it is very obvious that Tim was the better singer. Power would go to Tim, control, and range. Tim was known to have a 4.5 octave range in his prime, for proof, listen to Down by The River... and then tell me Tim wasn't what you call 'all over the map'. Versatility might be a tie between them both but I would give the edge to Tim. I have all his albums and going from a song like Peanut Man to a song like Moulin Rouge is just crazy.
Name: Thor
Subject: The Cold facts
-- Oct 17, 2005 at 7:32AM
to the OperaSinger Buckley was a tenor capable of reaching a falsetto pitch and while a tenor's range spans middle C to high F, Jeff's range was four octaves. Jeff was also a light lyric tenor, with a typical lyric tenor tessitura, the same range as Pavarotti. In sum, his voice and breath control were widely considered magnificent.
read it yourself http://www.answers.c om/jeff%20buckley
Name: OperaSinger
Subject: The cold facts
-- Jan 27, 2005 at 3:32PM
I am an opera singer and also a classically trained pianist. My educated opinion, first I love Jeff Buckley, but his vocal abilities are EXTREMELY over-hyped. It is impossible for anyone to have 8 octaves, jeff has a little over 3 octaves a typical lyric tenor range and his range is nothing spectacular if you have listened to opera singers such as Pavarotti, another lyric tenor. Tim Buckley has more or less a similar range to Jeff, but he does sing with a more open throat and has a more powerful head voice. Jeff achieved a lot of his high notes by squeezing his vocal cords. Jeff has awesome breath and line control on Grace, but suprisingly in the live performances on Sine he does wobble quite a bit and even cracks a note or two. Actually I prefer that freer sound than the "manufactured&q uot; studio smoothness which you can achieve after God knows how many attempts. But live performance is the real measure of ability not the studio. Also vocal range has nothing to do with how talented someone is. What made Jeff's voice special to me is its fragility and ability to capture emotions and colors. But he is nowhere near my top ten of most talented vocalists. He was also unbelievable at reinterpreting songs, e.g. Cohen's halleluah, but his ability as his own songwriter was still developing. As a guitar player he really kicked-ass, and i am surprised few point to his guitar chops, which were way above average. Talented, moving musician, greatest vocalist? Think again.
Name: Camille
Subject: Beautiful Soul
-- Jan 20, 2005 at 11:24PM
I agree with Vance. Jeff Buckley's talent can't be measured by octives. Lots of people could have the same range and never achieve anything close to the way Jeff was able to emote feeling and passion. He showed part of his soul every time he sung, i'm sure he didn't care if it came off sounding perfect, that's what made his ability to perform so unique and spontaneous. We are very lucky to have the words and music he left behind.
Name: vance
Subject: the soul
-- Jan 1, 2005 at 1:32PM
to me, jeff buckley hit my soul, that was his range, he could hit soul, there is no need for numbers of octaves or comparisons, he was just simply capable of doing something beautiful and rare.
Name: Aphex
Subject: hmm
-- Jul 23, 2004 at 7:44PM
I think you should all goto bed now. Jeff is talented no matter what octave just like the preferance of anyones musical taste. I hate ppl who diss or praise their tastes higher than anyone. Just get on with your own listening and shut up.
Name: Mike
Subject: Review: Jeff Buckley 'Mystery White Boy'
-- Jun 23, 2004 at 1:21PM
Ben, yes it is impossible..there's no debating this....u are a fukin moron who will believe anyhting he reads.....anyone who throws out a number like 8 octaves is ridiculous....
Love Jeff for what he was...dont post bullshit that tarnishes his image by blowing things out of proportion....
8 octaves = a full grand piano....
no one can either either extreme on a piano, let alone both.....
Do ur math to actually find out what an octave is, then come back to me....
Jeff's highest note = Eb above soprano high C on "Gunshot Glitter"
lowest note = 2nd A below middle C on live version of "Dream Brother"
the difference between those notes is 42 tones...or 4 octaves buttmunch...
anyways...Long live Jeff!!!
god i love this man and his music...
Name: Ben
Subject: Read
-- Jun 8, 2004 at 10:44AM
8 octaves isn't actually impossible. Listen to The messed up intro to "calling you" on live at Sin E and you'll see what I mean. Also I have read up maybe you should look in some of the tab books which show the vocal melody and of course therefor his range. Also read the biography Dream Brother written by someone who worked with him, its in there two.
But hey they could all be lying to me in that case you win but I was just repeating what I'd read.
Name: Mike
Subject: Review: Jeff Buckley 'Mystery White Boy'
-- Apr 22, 2004 at 6:36PM
i stil cant get over that 9 octave range comment!!!!! hahaha, that was soooo hilarious.
Do some more research before u post something like that dude.
i should really focus on the main point which was jeff's voice and music but that comment still has me cracking up.
Jeff would no doubt be laughing his ass pff if he was still w/ us
Name: Mike
Subject: Review: Jeff Buckley 'Mystery White Boy'
-- Apr 22, 2004 at 6:33PM
9 octaves???????????
no offense dude but to be able to sing in anyhting over 5 octaves is nothing short of impossible. IMPOSSIBLE!!!
They say Mariah Carey posessed 5 octaves and this is only b/c she used that whistle register , which i wont go into.
Jeff's actual range was between 3.5 and 4 octaves. there are several breakdowns of his voice where they go into this and explain.
Jeff's father posessed 4.5 octaves and hit notes that were even out of Jeff's range.
Anyways, back to Jeff. One of the most incredible and beautiful voices to have ever existed. Jeff's voice could bring a tear to ur eye and a lump to ur throat. I will always love Jeff Buckely and the incredible music he gave us in that short time he was w/ us
That is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard.
Name: Matt
Subject: stef
-- Apr 20, 2004 at 1:36PM
hes truly a class act all the way.
Name: Ben
Subject: Stef
-- Apr 7, 2004 at 4:02PM
You've got to love stefs way of doing things. Hes only here because he knows me and matt and he's more into this arguement than either of us.
Name: Stefan
Subject: err
-- Apr 3, 2004 at 6:50AM
so the person i have been calling 'mum' over the past 16 years is infact a fictional illusion... tosser...
Name: Brian
Subject: haha
-- Mar 31, 2004 at 4:44PM
at least ive got a mum!
Name: Stefan
Subject: Thanks
-- Mar 31, 2004 at 4:44PM
Just testing..
And by the way, your mum was shit in bed.
Name: Brian
Subject: WTF
-- Mar 31, 2004 at 4:43PM
Oi Stefan you cock, Buckley played the Guitar!
Name: Stefan
Subject: yer i no
-- Mar 31, 2004 at 4:42PM
Look Guys, If God himself was interested in learing the piano he would look no further than being tought by the undeniably talented Jeff Buckley. Although his music may not me completely to my taste what he has done for the music world is penominal. He deserves respect, and even more so now that he had the misfortune of dying.
And Ben in answer to your query of why old Kurt was a genius is indeed a question that needs anserwing, not to many geniuses hold a shotgun to their head and pull the damn trigger! In terms of music howevever, he did smack out a few good tunes.
I thankyou.
Name: Ben
Subject: By the way
-- Mar 31, 2004 at 4:37PM
I think the post from FAO chris was on our side
Name: Ben
Subject: well well well
-- Mar 31, 2004 at 4:33PM
To be quite honest there is no point in arguing. Jeff had a ridiculous range (9 freaking octaves) which was larger than Tims but it doesn't mean he was any better or worse. I prefer Jeff but I haven't listened to that much Tim. Jeff could write fantastic songs but that?s only to my taste. Chris I just want to know why if you think he is so shit you are spending all your time talking about him and why you read this review in the first place. You can't deny he was talented so just GO AWAY
P.S. I'd like for someone to explain why Kurt Cobain was a genius (I'm not trying to be offensive)
Name: Samantha
Subject: re: matt
-- Jan 9, 2004 at 4:49PM
right....chris ur a twat, matt i agree with u entirly. jeff buckley was a genius who cud write amazing heart felt songs and sing them like he meant every word he said. u obviously hav no music taste whatsoever, and u really need to grow up and get a life, and stop insulting this guy and leave the poor guy alone!!
Name: matt
Subject: re: chris
-- Jan 9, 2004 at 4:34PM
soo chris, if ur soo set on music den wat music or musicians do u listen 2?!? hmm i cnt believ wat a twat u r, i mean nt nly du u not no wat da fuck u tlkin bout bt u sound lyk a prick to no as well, cnt wait for ur reply.. shit maggot
Name: chris
Subject: reply : matt
-- Jan 9, 2004 at 2:37PM
so you seriously believe that jeff buckley is talented? well you are much more of a stupid dick then i first realised, the poor talentless screeches that turess the mouth of jeff buckley can be deadly! so i think you, matt, should attempt at listening to a form of good music and stop idolising a dead and yet continuously rubbish singer.
Name: matt , amy , sam nd barrrry
Subject: re: fao chris
-- Jan 6, 2004 at 8:57AM
wel chris, ur a twat so fuck off disrespecting da dead, u quite clearly hav no sense of taste in music, ur an illegitimate piece of monkey wank tht only deserves to be bathed in a bucket of piss.
Name: Matt Richins
Subject: re: dipshit
-- Jan 1, 2004 at 4:04PM
hmm well to u FAO chris i must say u quite clearly have no sense of good taste in music, the outstanding abilities of jeff buckley are quite literally unmatched. The idea that buckley was only as famously brilliant as he was because of the timing of his death is absolute bollocks, the reason for his "angelic status" was quite rightly due to his angelic singing and song writing techniques and abilities, you are quite obviously a illegitimate piece of monkey shit with no proper knowledge or taste in music...
P.s. your a twat
Name: FAO Chris
Subject: Dipshit
-- Dec 17, 2003 at 5:45PM
"he's simply been given some angelic status because he died at the right time. any serious vocalist would laugh at his so-called incredible voice."
He never had singing lessons. Id say that was raw talent he had.
Name: squirrel
Subject: Re: The Cobain slaggin'
-- Oct 21, 2003 at 3:31PM
i agree with tom that this jim fellow is the biggest fucking gay alive with a shocking fucking statement like that!i am fuckin'well outraged.you should be shot, you fuckin' retarded gay! P.S Have a nice day
Name: Tom
Subject: The Cobain slaggin'
-- Oct 20, 2003 at 10:51AM
I could shite on for years about the Tibetan economy or how the marijuana business is going in Siberia like ye "educated" pricks who have nothing better to do, than to go around dissin' someone of Kurt Cobain's genius. I realise that this "Jim" fellow is entitled to his warped opinion that Cobain's a "punk" but any sane person who knows anything about music will know that this "Jim" character is talking out of his arse. And by the way I am aware that Jeff Buckley is God.
Name: Simon
Subject: Review: Jeff Buckley 'Mystery White Boy'
-- Oct 16, 2003 at 4:20PM
PS Lest we not even speak of falsetto
Name: Simon
Subject: Gunter
-- Oct 16, 2003 at 4:19PM
Dear Gunter "i've listened to loads of Tim" with an educated opionion... i think you should seek a re-fund on that education sir as you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Unless you include the note that Jeff creates by complete accident on Gunshot glitter, Tim and Jeffs vocal range were identical - however Tim actually had a much stronger head and chest voice even on his first two albums. If you are so educated you will know that "rock howls" are the product of a closed throat. Tims technique is on the contrary quite astonishing. tit.
Name: jim
Subject: Review: Jeff Buckley 'Mystery White Boy'
-- Jun 16, 2003 at 3:49AM
Jeff Buckley is the greatest musical genius of our time, how can you compare him with a mainstream overplayed punk like Kurt Cobain. People don't realise talent when they see it. U r a fuckin wank.
Name: Yang
Subject: ugh
-- May 25, 2003 at 4:05PM
i can't believe you people. your dissing two people that have passed away. and what's worse, you're trying to pit fans of father and son against each other. stop disrespecting the dead. realize that they were both different, did their own thing and both were greatly respected. it doesn't matter who was better, it just matters that we remember them.
Name: Tony
Subject: re:what will they say
-- Apr 1, 2003 at 2:53PM
To me this song was freakin excellent!No doubt.When I first heard it I was stunned .Wondering who or what was the point of the song is totally irrelevant to me...all I know this song is moving and it does not have to have a deeper meaning to just enjoy it.I'm a South African ,and we do not get the priviledge to listen to great artists like Jeff Buckley like the rest of the world who is fortunate to have almost first hand experience/availabil ity of music.I was fortunate to purchase Grace and a DVD from the Jeff 'experience' which is sufficient enough to tell me this guy is great.
Nuff said.
Safe..
Name: Faye
Subject: FAO Nick
-- Feb 18, 2003 at 4:04PM
i totally agree and feel exactly the same
Name: Lise
Subject: re: what will you say
-- Nov 23, 2002 at 2:16PM
I just thought I would add this...
the song "what will you say" is not about Tim Buckley. The song is about the relationship between Mick Grondahl (or was it Matt Johnson, can't really remember?) and his father. Jeff was kinda upset about the fact, that alot of ppl thought it was about Tim...well that's all from me.
Name: sam
Subject: shut the fuck up
-- Oct 26, 2002 at 12:06PM
They are both geniuses. For someone to have an offspring such as jeff, you must be brilliant. Those who criticise one another are fooling themselves. Tim Buckley and Jeff Buckley are different people, and their styles of music are completely different. Stop saying one is better than the other, perhaps one is. but who honestly cares. I believe they are two of the best, if not the best, musicians in the world. Both have cult followings and when two cults collide, look what happens. Dont try and outdo each other, face the facts and realise that they were great.
Name: No one you know
Subject: Jeff's throat vs. Tim's
-- Sep 9, 2002 at 9:02PM
No disrespect to anyone who was involved in this dispute, but those of you who think Jeff's voice swamps that of his father should track down a copy of "Lorca" or "Starsailor&quo t;. Jeff never came close to touching any of those places with his voice. He also never ventured nearly as far away from conventional song structures as his father did. Granted, Tim released nine albums in his lifetime while Jeff only managed one and an e.p. (although he lived to be two years older than his father). But really, whatever floats your boat isn't likely to change, just as my opinion won't be swayed by those who think Jeff is God. I'm not at all ignorant of his talent; I just prefer the work (and voice) of Tim. I've said my peace.
Name: Günter Voelker
Subject: Wow
-- Apr 10, 2002 at 10:49PM
It's very, very weird that there's more than one Jeff Buckley fan named Günter who's visited this site.
Gunter
Name: Gunter
Subject: nope
-- Dec 12, 2001 at 6:23PM
I'm not a narrow-minded fan by any stretch of the imagination, although I am a fan. I'm well aware of Jeff's shortcomings, although those you listed are certainly not among them. Frailty of voice, inability to hold notes at pitch? Have you listened to anything beyond Sin-e and Tim Buckley covers? Jeff's voice was genuinely resonant; any resonance Tim achieved was through closing his throat in the same way that most people would do an impression of Kermit the Frog.
Name: chris
Subject: hey
-- Nov 29, 2001 at 6:25AM
a weak voice is a weak voice. tim's purity, which *was* achieved, aluded has nothing to with Miss Piggy. Your excuse for Jeffs short-comings in this respect are due to 'nuances' (frailty of voice, inability to hold notes at pitch, for any length), his grunts become 'primal howls', and his ranting for 5 minutes too long at the end of a song become free-for-all improv spirit of jazz. nice excuses. he's simply been given some angelic status because he died at the right time. any serious vocalist would laugh at his so-called incredible voice. jeff buckley could *not* improvise; his whoops and hollers were carried on to the point of embarrasment, and he simply murdered a once beautiful song by van morrison: a man who had TALENT, something sorely lacking in jeff
Name: chris
Subject: hmmm
-- Nov 29, 2001 at 1:55AM
i'll be a jerk to a reviewer who is talking shit, as you are. you are wrong. its as simple as that. you are probably a narrow-minded fan of jeff who doesnt like anybody putting down his 'mythical' status. listen to jeff trying to sing one of tims songs. he is POOR (educated opinion) ,at best, especially on 'i never asked ...'. many, many singers surpass jeff as well, his father is just an example.
Name: Gunter Voelker
Subject: Chris, not true
-- Oct 21, 2001 at 7:13PM
I've listened to loads of Tim Buckley, and first of all, what you're saying just isn't true -- not only was Jeff a better singer (educated opinion), his range was significantly greater (provable fact, he could simply hit higher and lower notes), as were his gifts for songwriting. Jeff's songs -- even his early, early ones -- reflect his diversity as a songwriter, and his penchant for defying the standard; completely unlike his father, who was churning out cheesy folk-pop in the initial stages of his development (granted, he got more experimental, but it was all just musical wanking). Jeff has a breathtaking understanding of the vocal nuances in blues, the primal howl in rock, and the subtlety, purity, as well as free-for-all improvisational spirit of jazz. When Tim was going for purity, he sounded like a muppet. A muppet, Chris. Don't be a jerk to the reviewer just because you disagree with him (perhaps with an ill-informed aspect).
Name: chris
Subject: tim buckley
-- Jun 24, 2001 at 9:59AM
Jeff Buckley's voice pales next to his fathers, as does everybody else i care to think of.
I suspect the reviewer, Jordan Hoffman, is either deaf, or knows very few tim buckley albums.
(and vocal range is not a matter of opinion)
Name: jz
Subject: jeff buckley / mystery white boy
-- Dec 11, 2000 at 11:06PM
While I have not added "Mystery" to my collection yet, I have to say that I feel sad that we've lost Jeff Buckley before his due time. (What the heck was he doing swimming in the Mississippi?)Both "Grace" and "Sketches" speak to the heart...or at least put you in a wicked trance. He was an amazing artist (I never had the chance to see him play live) that left us too soon...how could you not feel something when you heard him? Whether it was "Last Goodbye," "Yard of Blonde Girls," or "New Year's Prayer" (my favs), you can't help but get wrapped up. And, no, I didn't laugh when he died.
Name: gisela
Subject: what will you say
-- Dec 7, 2000 at 11:51AM
the best song i have ever heard
Name: Nick
Subject: Jeff
-- Jun 2, 2000 at 11:17PM
You were fortunate to have ever seen Jeff Buckley. I didn't discover him till after his death. I would give anything to watch him play his music - to feel that spirituality - or even to just shake his hand and thank him for everything he's given to the world
Name: Jody
Subject: Kanga Roo
-- May 24, 2000 at 3:59PM
Kanga Roo is an old Big Star song. Jeff released it as a B-side for one of the songs on Grace.
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