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Name: ohjessa
Subject: duh
-- Oct 25, 2005 at 11:15PM
Actually we never do know if they "do it" they show them kissing and hugging very passionatly, and then a cut away to the bad guys comming...we never see the outcome of the kissing... and they leave it up to our imagination, movie folks like to do that to us...
Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: Duh
-- Dec 8, 2003 at 12:27PM
a) Although "If we made love", analyzed as purely a logical construction, could theoretically refer to something in the past, people speaking English almost never speak this way. "If we made love" and "If we had made love" are effectively synonomous in this context.
b) Assume "a" above is wrong, and it is totally a logical proposition. Then since she doesn't leave and he doesn't stay, it would suggest that they *didn't* have sex. Unless he's employing faulty logic.
You misread, my friend.
Name: mshankb
Subject: Duh
-- Dec 8, 2003 at 8:09AM
They blatantly do have sex.
The quote,
"Rachel, if we'd made
love last night, then
either you'd have to
leave or I'd have to
stay."
is wrong. He says "If we made love", not, "If we'd made love". A subtle but essential difference.
Name: joelee33
Subject: Guy Movie of the Week, 5/8/00: Witness
-- Mar 28, 2002 at 11:59PM
They obviously don't do it in the barn, and they obviously don't do it when she shows him her tits.
When she takes out her hat and runs to him, he's walking around outside, about ready to leave. They hug and kiss deeply, for the first and oly time. But they don't do it---they can't, they're outside in full view of everybody.
In real life, a guy who turns down a woman like that does not get a second chance.
Name: An LS.n Reader
Subject: Guy Movie of the Week, 5/8/00, Witness -- August 24, 2001 at 3:48 PM MDT
-- Aug 24, 2001 at 6:00PM
John Book does indeed shtup Rachel. When she leaves he cap, the symbol of her Amish faith, on the table and runs outside to Book, it is clear that she has left her Amish life, at least temporarily, to do the deed with Book. Why else the close-up on the cap, and the big build up? Perhaps film viewers are too used to above-the-waist grunt and sweat shots to get a subtle message.
Name: An LS.n Reader
Subject: Guy Movie of the Week, 5/8/00: Witness
-- May 30, 2000 at 1:12PM
Well, I'll stand corrected if I must, but when and where do your flock of experts say they did it? Yes, ultimately they kiss, but that's about as far as they go. And that's BEFORE he offs Glover and the other goon.
Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re:
-- May 30, 2000 at 11:01AM
Wow, you had me already typing "I stand corrected" when I was besieged by cinema experts who swear that ultimately, they did have sex.
I'm going to have to stand by my reportage, but I'll make a point to check out the movie again soon to confirm it. Maybe you want to do the same.
Name: An LS.n Reader
Subject: Guy Movie of the Week, 5/8/00: Witness
-- May 30, 2000 at 10:25AM
In fact, they don't.
The barn scene is a
lovely one -- they're
dancing to Sam Cooke,
obviously WANTING very
much to kiss and do God
knows what else. It's
reminiscent of Weir's
earlier work in "The
Year of Living
Dangerously," but they
never actually do the
nasty. The scene with
Kelly's breasts is
actually the turning
point. She's bathing
herself when she catches
him looking, and she
doesn't cover up. He
obviously wants to, but
he can't -- damn
conscience. And you
know they don't, because
the next day, he says:
"Rachel, if we'd made
love last night, then
either you'd have to
leave or I'd have to
stay." The upshot of
the movie, of course,
is that after taking
out the bad guys, he
goes back to his life
as a Philadelphia cop
and she settles back
into her life as an
Amish babe.
Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: Guy Movie of the Week, 5/8/00: Witness
-- May 30, 2000 at 8:33AM
You sure??
Man, I could have sworn they ultimately did the dirty deed. I'll have to watch it again ... knowing my mind, I could have imagined it, but are you sure you didn't catch a TV version or something? 'Cause I have vivid memories of them going at it in the barn.
Name: An LS.n Reader
Subject: Guy Movie of the Week, 5/8/00: Witness
-- May 29, 2000 at 11:57AM
I hate to quibble, but Harrison Ford does NOT shtup Kelly McGillis. The whole point of the movie is that he doesn't. You do get to see Kelly McGillis's breasts, though.
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